Among Jake’s many endeavors, he also participates heavily in his church, Hillside Foursquare. As he will tell you freely, he never envisioned himself being integrated into a church community and certainly not interviewing the pastor of said community. He also never envisioned the integration of psychology with spirituality - and especially not Christian spirituality - which he shares in this episode.

We believe that you will find this particular interview not only enlightening but also inspiring as both Jake and Louie get personally vulnerable on a few topics.

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